January 13 Chat Transcript

By Stephen Downes
Jan 16, 2012

January 13, Valerie Irvine and Jillianne Code informal chat
- Elluminate Recording
- Video recording (courtesy Jeff Lebow)




carol yeager
8:35 PM
Plunk the magic twanger, frogggggie!
Stephen Downes #2
8:36 PM
I want to know what it is
dave cormier
8:38 PM
questions for our guests?
turns out Valerie chased a robber across campus 10 minutes before our session.
8:39 PM
carol yeager
8:40 PM
I have found online learning and teaching more intensive, although, in spurts
Sheena
8:40 PM
As a Uvic Ed. Alumni, humanities teacher in BC & MA in Learning & Technology student, I am curious to know how much influence the TIE Lab is having on UVic’s faculty of Education and the institution overall?
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Sheena
8:40 PM

dave cormier
8:40 PM
heyo dr. jen.
George Siemens
8:41 PM
where's the image with you and lady gaga?
JenM
8:41 PM
@dc ... goofy
dave cormier
8:41 PM
@valerie can i ask an annoying question?
Jillianne Code
8:41 PM
http://www.edtech.uvic.ca/edci336/
JenM
8:42 PM
@dc ... is there any other kind you ask?
Sheena
8:42 PM
thank you
vhaustudent
8:43 PM
@carol- Yes... I have too! Maybe it's because there are more "distractions" (Oh, that sounds interesting.. let me research it/ oh, what's that? Let me look it up/ etc). Personally I find the spurts come from exhaustion which derives from the intensity to which I engage online versus face-to-face
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JenM
8:44 PM
that wasn't at all annoying ...
suifaijohnmak
8:44 PM
Are the technologies (softwares) all used in closed environment? Are they also open to the students (only)?
dave cormier
8:46 PM
that's what i mean
carol yeager
8:46 PM
@vhaustudent ... agreed, and I still enjoy f2f, blended and online ... and the participants are what make it fun!
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dave cormier
8:46 PM
yup
you sound great
8:46 PM
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dave cormier
8:47 PM
any other questions?
Jeff
8:48 PM
Just wondering why we're not getting any video as we use this pricey non-open video conferencing tools?
dave cormier
8:48 PM
lol
Valerie Irvine
8:49 PM
http://ammscontent.uvic.ca/AccContent/20120113-162813-1/
suifaijohnmak
8:49 PM
How long will it take for staff/students to master the technology?
Jeff
8:49 PM
just cick high quality
JenM
8:50 PM
I see them ...
carol yeager
8:50 PM
very cool
Jillianne Code
8:51 PM
@Suifiajohnmak The ease of use is critical. So the amount of time for training is very important in evaluating the technology.
Jeff
8:51 PM
40 seconds the last time Dave streaming - about 10 second delay with Icecast, 5 seconds with Livestream or Wowza
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George Siemens
8:51 PM
@downes - looks like you're having the same connectivity issues I am today...
Stephen Downes #4
8:53 PM
audio issues
Jeff
8:53 PM
Your frozen in the other tool
back on air
8:53 PM
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carol yeager
8:53 PM
and now the recording has stopped from TIE
Stephen Downes #4
8:53 PM
I used to be able to record Elluminate, & broadcast it over Ed Radio
Now it cuts out
8:54 PM
Jeff
8:54 PM
Can we have a run down of functionality and prices for this tool
carol yeager
8:54 PM
OK, back again
Jeff
8:54 PM
I see there's a slide show
dave cormier
8:54 PM
@stephen... that's really annoying
more links!
8:54 PM
Jeff
8:54 PM
can participants chat or grab the audio/video?
Valerie Irvine
8:54 PM
http://ammscontent.uvic.ca/AccContent/20120113-165322-1/
yes
8:55 PM
dave cormier
8:55 PM
lol
JenM
8:56 PM
this is EdTechTalk circa 2005 ... "can you hear me now?"
Jeff
8:56 PM
Do you have to pay extra for these Elluminate 'managed services'?
Valerie Irvine
8:56 PM
I'll answer the cost issue next
Stephen Downes #4
8:56 PM
yup
Valerie Irvine
8:56 PM
http://bluejeans.com/inmeeting/528551885/6196/skype
Stephen Downes #4
8:57 PM
lol
I am wondering whether Blackboard didn't deliberately do this
8:57 PM
dave cormier
8:58 PM
@stephen say it isn't so
suifaijohnmak
8:59 PM
As I clicked the link later than was expected, I have got a lag in the video & audio and so both audios coming out - one from Bluejean another from Elluminate. How to fix it?
Jeff
9:00 PM
you can mute the audio via Blue Jeans and Accordent
No delay via blue jeans, but rest of Elluminate folks aren't there
9:00 PM
yes, logged in
9:00 PM
as many as possible, until we break the internet!
9:01 PM
dave cormier
9:01 PM
BREAK THE INTERNET
jeff... you wanna come in and comment on this?
9:01 PM
Jeff
9:01 PM
Gulp!
dave cormier
9:02 PM
you've probably webcasted more than anyone
ever.
9:02 PM
suifaijohnmak
9:02 PM
But I want to watch the Blue Jean & listen, and chat here in Elluminate stream
Jeff
9:02 PM
I'm OK making snarky comments here
dave cormier
9:03 PM
@jeff yes. i see.
@drjenm what about you?
9:03 PM
Jeff
9:03 PM
should be doable john - no video via blue jeans yet though
current video via accordent - just need to mute audio at the bottom of that window
9:03 PM
dave cormier
9:04 PM
EYE ROLL
see me. i am rolling my eyes
9:04 PM
JenM
9:04 PM
(i see you)
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suifaijohnmak
9:04 PM
@Jeff @Dave
Thanks Jeff & Dave
9:04 PM
dave cormier
9:05 PM
red is bad
ljp
9:05 PM
I haven't really got anything to work, blue jeans, skype
Sheena
9:06 PM
are online offerings being promoted anymore than traditional f2f courses?
Stephen Downes #4
9:06 PM
We must all make sacrifices...
in oder to ensure bank CEO bonuses continue uniterrupted
9:06 PM
Sheena
9:07 PM
generally at UVic
suifaijohnmak
9:07 PM
Is this different to "connected classroom" in terms of technology?
ljp
9:09 PM
I've got the participant screen but skype doesn't connect and I don't have a room id and I don't know which I should be trying to use. I don't have a webcam. I do have audio -- real time and lagged -- I think through Elluminate
Jeff
9:10 PM
Can we see video via Blue Jeans - saw it briefly before and it looked sharper than Accordent (and more in sync with audio)
connected, but video not currently activated
9:10 PM
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Jeff
9:12 PM
yep, got all three
Jillianne Code
9:12 PM
Here's the link again: http://bluejeans.com/inmeeting/528551885/6196/skype
ljp

9:12 PM
I can see the Change 11 Discussion connected with the link given. Is that blue jeans?
Jeff
9:12 PM
computer is fine, brain is a bit scrambled
mine
9:12 PM
Stephen Downes #4
9:13 PM
I trued to call, Skype decided to reinstall - it has been that kind of day
Valerie Irvine
9:13 PM
bc.net
ljp
9:14 PM
The new link worked.
Sheena
9:14 PM
https://wiki.bc.net/atl-conf/display/Services/Cloud-based+Videoconferencing+Service
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ljp
9:15 PM
Stephen the image with the ladies is a lot better
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Sheena
9:16 PM
good times attempting to try everything
Jeff
9:18 PM
screengrab comparison of accordent and blue jeans: http://jefflebow.net/temp/accordent-skype-comparison.png
carol yeager
9:19 PM
nice, jeff, thx
Jeff
9:20 PM
not attacking... comparing, contemplating (especially the insane prices
seems more cost-effective for an online university to hire a 'Tim Owens' and use lower cost tech alternatives
9:21 PM
Jillianne Code
9:21 PM
The difference w our system is that we can sync video w content, live stream, and record all at the same time
ljp
9:22 PM
I found the blue jeans video -- it's a skype conversation
Jillianne Code
9:22 PM
@ljp great! We are connected to the conversation via our VC unit... everyone else is skype... pretty cool!
Jeff
9:25 PM
Dave's about to get his PhD in MOOCology
carol yeager
9:25 PM

vhaustudent #2
9:25 PM
cool!
dave cormier
9:26 PM
wow... i've been accused of that affliction
Valerie Irvine
9:26 PM
she is too passive...
eek!
9:26 PM
you never said that
9:26 PM
Anne-Marie
9:26 PM
haha!
Valerie Irvine
9:26 PM
that's BS by the way....
Jeff
9:26 PM
So, when is the weekly Jill & Val show going to start?
Valerie Irvine
9:26 PM
next week?
Jeff
9:26 PM
Major new media team talent!
Valerie Irvine
9:26 PM
you bet! join in?
JenM
9:27 PM
you can't do a PhD at a distance ... will never work
Valerie Irvine
9:27 PM
depends on the supervisor and the student....
JenM
9:27 PM
would NEVER work ...
Jeff
9:27 PM
Yeah, will lobby for streaming it via Hangout
Valerie Irvine
9:27 PM
I did my 2nd half at a distance
dave cormier
9:27 PM
Now Jen
Jeff
9:27 PM
Hey, that's Dr. Jen
dave cormier
9:27 PM
i know. Dr. Jen who got her Phd at a distance
Jeff
9:28 PM
or Dr. Jen* (*online Dr.)
that's when teamwork comes in - one person yammering, the other paying attention to chat and taking turns
9:28 PM
JenM
9:29 PM
* me and Barry Bonds
Sheena
9:30 PM
a backchannel management technologist
Valerie Irvine
9:30 PM
that's awesome!
Anne-Marie
9:30 PM
crowd control
JenM
9:31 PM
... hard to collaborate alone
carol yeager
9:31 PM
I can attest to that!
Jeff
9:31 PM
The 21st century TA - chat monitor
vhaustudent #2
9:31 PM
is it any worse than seeing one or two dozen hands go up at the same time in a f2f classroom?
Jillianne Code
9:32 PM
@vhaustudent - good point!
everyone shouting at once - challenge to handle...
9:32 PM
carol yeager
9:33 PM
@vhaustudent ... depends on how good one's eyesight might be
ljp
9:33 PM
I'm happy with elluminate. I'm not sure what the others do for me.
Jeff
9:33 PM
Seems like Blue Jeans had better options for student audio/video partiicpation.
Valerie Irvine
9:33 PM
Thank YOU!
Jillianne Code
9:33 PM
Thank you!

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